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Palestinian flag

Doesn't its inclusion here violate WP:NPOV? Shoshin000 (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How? Selfstudier (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a disputed area, and the State of Palestine is a partially recognized state.

Kashmir for example does not have a huge Pakistani or Indian flag on its page, as it would give an impression of partiality to a reader, thereby undermining the absorption of information. Shoshin000 (talk) 08:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Readers are not stupid children. It most certainly does not violate NPOV. Israel does not claim it is part of Israel, it is administered as occupied territory. It is part of the State of Palestine. Israel is also a partially recognized state and a disputed area for some people. That has nothing to do with it. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair points. I'll leave this here however: According to a 2020 report by Gallup based on data from the U.S. Department of Education, 54% of adults in the United States lack English literacy proficiency.

Anything that gives an impression of partiality should be avoided imo. Shoshin000 (talk) 09:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FORUM Selfstudier (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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217.218.145.194 (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the muncipality site of tulkerem because i think thats hacked.

Not done... it is not clear what changes you want made, the word "tulkerem" is not found anywhere in the article. - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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palestine should be shown as a country on the map as any other country is...Its discriminatory against Palestinians. 27.63.22.90 (talk) 12:43, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Yeshivish613 (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew name

More often than not - the Hebrew name of the West Bank is יהודה ושומרון (i.e. Judea and Samaria), not הגדה המערבית (i.e. the West Bank). This is also the name of the Hebrew Wikipedia article. For example - when googled "יהודה ושומרון" I got 2,690,000 results, and only 334,000 for "הגדה המערבית" despite the fact that Hebrew has no capitalization and "הגדה המערבית" can refer to any west bank of any river. 2.54.163.140 (talk) 18:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you able to provide a romanized spelling for this, like "HaGadáh HaMaʽarávit"? FortunateSons (talk) 09:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Judea and Samaria as alt name

I think it's pretty clear that Judea and Samaria is a common (but not the common) name, and should be added as such (in Hebrew and English, IMO). Are there any objections to this? FortunateSons (talk) 09:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:WESTBANK (and WP:ARBPIA2) cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra, I might be reading this wrong, but I don’t think that what I’m trying to do is covered there. I‘m just looking to add it as an aka, such as it is used here [1], but not as a neutral term within an articles. Would attributing it, for example, as “in Israel:“ per 6.3/4. of WP:WESTBANK, fix the issue for you? FortunateSons (talk) 21:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Used as such/in a similar manner by: BBC, DW, Al Jazeera, NYT, LA Times, etc. FortunateSons (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At a quick glance: each one of those sources use Judea and Samaria in s citation, as x, y, or z mentioned "Judea and Samaria". So no, this is still covered by WP:WESTBANK Huldra (talk) 23:11, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but they are using it to say the Israeli equivalent to “West Bank” is “Judea and Samaria”, which is the only statement I want to put into the first sentence. Clearest within LA Times: Israel’s government refers to the West Bank by its biblical name, Judea and Samaria, and considers it the historical heartland of the Jewish people. Palestinians, the U.S. government and the international community refer to the occupied territory as the West Bank.

Alternatively, would you be fine with using the common-use Hebrew term (mentioned directly above), and then adding a translation? This way, it’s very unlikely that someone misunderstands this to be a neutral term. FortunateSons (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Btw, the Israeli equivalent to “West Bank” was “Judea and Samaria”, also when WP:WESTBANK and WP:ARBPIA2 happened. Nothing has changed there. You need an WP:ARBPIA6 for that to change, methinks, Huldra (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s not entirely true, there have been some reecent changes, if you consider this source acceptable: Palestine’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs denounced a move by Israel’s parliament on Sunday to approve a bill to replace the term "West Bank" with “Judea and Samaria,” calling it a serious escalation aimed at annexing the occupied territory.[2]. In addition, there is some politicised use in the US as well. Not enough for the common name of course, but clearly a significant increase nonetheless. FortunateSons (talk) 22:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, I have two questions: Does a clarification on the scope of this require an WP:ARCA, or what instrument is to be used for clarity of scope for WESTBANK? Is this something I have to be concerned about? This discussion and the thread below might be relevant here. FortunateSons (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Judea and Samaria Area is already in the second paragraph in the lead. According to Britannica,

“ The use of “Judea and Samaria” is associated with the right wing in Israeli politics, which rejects the call for a two-state solution that aims to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By contrast, the term “West Bank” has much wider recognition, having been enshrined in international treaties, such as the Oslo Accords between the Israeli government and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). “

I think it is WP:TOOSOON for English Wikipedia to be using Judea and Samaria as alternative names for the internationally recognized name of West Bank. Until the international community decides to change the West Bank name into Judea and Samaria/recognize it as Judea and Samaria, Wikipedia should not be jumping ahead. Judea and Samaria are the ancient, pre-Alexander the Great names for the area, and the ancient Israelites, Tribe of Judah, etc. lived there before subsequent conquests. West Bank is currently the internationally recognized modern name where both modern day Israelis and majority Palestinians live. Wafflefrites (talk) 03:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Phone number

By my reading of Telephone numbers in Palestine, adding +972 to the lead is reasonable (though, to be fair, my view on this is loosely inspired by +972 Magazine). Would that be fine? FortunateSons (talk) 21:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not. +972 is to telephones in Israel. And I think your editing is getting rather tendentious, FortunateSons, Huldra (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+972 is used by Palestinians in the West Bank as well, not just settlers. From the lead: The telecommunication system in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is considerably dependent on the Israeli infrastructure, therefore, from most countries, dialing +972 would often be the better option to access phone numbers in the Palestinian territories. In some cases, when the number was allocated directly by an Israeli company, this would be the only option. However, from many Arab or Muslim countries that block the Israeli access code, dialing 970 is the only option to access the Palestinian telecommunication system. Syria is currently the only country that blocks both 972 and 970 access codes. Lebanon lifted the ban on the 970 code in July 2008 but still blocks the 972 code. FortunateSons (talk) 22:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]